Python versus Alligator Celebrity Death Match
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Talking about transplanting species, here is an example of what happens when an ex-pet burmese python meets an alligator in the wild. Kind of like what happens when the irresistable force meets the immovable object. We should start leaving the pet owners in the Everglades too.
Wonder what it would be like if anacondas were introduced into the everglades. I would guess that the largest anaconda wouldn’t be any match for the largest alligator (let alone a gharial or salt water croc), considering the relative weight differentials.
the alligator will win even though snakes alligators i heard that alligators eat big snakes this sentences mentioned the LARGEST alligator so i think the alligator is going to win
Yes I agree - the crocodilians should be more than a match for snakes. Though size and weight may not be everything. Jaguars are known to hunt alligators and anacondas in the Amazon jungles. Sometimes as a team. I’d guess they would avoid the really big ones, but I wonder …
Really, I thought jaguars are solitary, I guess I learn something everyday. But I don’t think there are alligators in the A jungles, those are caimans, which are part of the alligator family, but not alligators, there are only two of those.
Jaguars are supposed to have the greatest bite strength, at least pound for pound, among the cats, which might explain their going for caimans, I don’t think any of the other cats prey on at least the big crocodilians. I’ve seen a show where a Bengal tiger jumped into a river occupied by crocodiles, swim to a where a deer carcass was, and bring it back to shore. I haven’t seen lions really doing that to Nile crocodiles, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen, but Nile crocs are bigger than muggers.
The most astonishing animal fight show I saw was a pit viper going into a spider den. The spider could make out through its web exactly where the snake was, the snake couldn’t (is it because the spider was cold-blooded) exactly, it probably could just smell the spider. Anyway, the spider bit first, its venom digesting the still alive snake..amazing, I thought. I don’t remember which spider, it was definitely one of the larger species. A colleague said he used to have a bird eating spider as a pet..another person I knew had a python, she said she had to give it live mice, otherwise the python wouldn’t eat, but sometimes the python wouldn’t be hungry, and the mouse would get hungry, and start nibbling at the python..I don’t remember her telling me what happens next.
In my junior high school, there was a python kept as a pet–the skinniest one I have ever seen–which was fed mice once in 5 days or so. Most of us would watch it consume the mice and watch it move along its body. Fun times.
Just to clarify, jaguars are typically solitary - but they do occasionally pair up during mating season. The particular incident that I saw involved one such pair and an anaconda. As for the caiman/alligator distinction I did not clearly know the difference (thanks for clarifying). As usual there is a wikipedia article for those interested.
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I didn’t know elephants killed rhinos, but I went looking and:
http://www.african-hunter.com/elephant.htm
Shock and awe..an elephant vs. a hippo?
I recently ran across this great animal reference site while looking up something about apes.
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro&NR
Allow me to get a little preachy here. The above mother cougar, grizzly bear death match has a valuable life lesson in it. If you want to succeed at something make sure you are passionate about it.
I’m surprised that the cougar didn’t do more damage to the grizzly bear with that bite. I thought panther jaws had the greatest crushing strength of the cats.
The jaguar is supposed to have that, not the cougar. I’m not sure if it’s pound for pound, or absolute. It’s hard to believe a 300lb (near max) jag will have more bite strength than a 600lb tiger.
Saw “Grizzly Man” the other day, felt pretty bad after that. He seemed very full of life, passion for the animals, the land, albeit pretty foolish. Even though he said he’d probably go out this way, at the end he didn’t want to die, he struggled against the bear, and made his girlfriend try and chase the bear away with a frying pan (he didn’t believe in pepper spray).
Two months after he died, a Russian who’d been doing the same in Kamchatka for 25 years (vs. Treadwell’s 13), met the same fate. He’d emptied his can of pepper spray on the bear.
Sorry, I said panther when I meant to say jaguar. Isn’t a cougar the North American equivalent of a jaguar?
No, totally different animal. Cougar is the NA name for the SA puma, it’s also called mountain lion in NA. And panther in TX and FL.
I stand corrected. Shows you how much I know. I simply assumed that a Puma was a roaring cat - it’s in a completely separate subfamily (let alone genus) from panthera.
I BELIVE THE SMALLER AGILE COUGAR WILL HOLD ITS OWN AGAINTS A JAGAUR. ITS LIKE A FIGHT BETWEEN ALI AND GORGE……WE ALL NO HOW THAT ENDED
I’ve read somewhere that this is the case quite often.
Speaking of cougar versus jaguar, I think the male African lion will beat a Bengal Tiger. Although it is lighter, the fact that it has evolved to fight to the death in defense of its pride gives it a leg up in my book. I wonder how this pride thing happened anyway, given that the rest of the cats are solitary.
For what it’s worth:
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict.html
First of all, jaguars are solitary animals with the greatest bite force of any cat it size. Second, jaguars will kill big caimans and anacondas if they are hungry enough. Third, I saw a video clip of a male lion stealing a hippo carcass from a whole bunch of Nile Crocodiles. Finally, a snake can kill a big crocodillian but would not be able to eat it unless the snake was twice as big as the crocodilian.
There was a National Geographic feature I saw (entitled Bend in the River or something like that) which documented the travails of a group of hippos, crocodiles and a pride of lions in the summer when the river dried up. Perhaps that’s the one you refer to, where a lioness out of desparation fights for a baby hippo carcass. The crocodile was about 13 feet long if I remember and the ‘fight’ was mainly posturing on both sides. Eventually the crocodile gave up and went back into the water because it became too hot for its reptilian system.
“young male elephants in Pilanesberg National Park and the Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Game Reserve in South Africa have been raping and killing rhinoceroses”
http://snipurl.com/yi3f
i think a cougar could beat a jag because the force of power in there paws in one swipe is enough to kill a jag. I’m only 11 and know that. The cougar and jag will never meet anyway. They live in to way different climates. One lives in the amazon one lives in north America. There thats my answer!
Ah bailey, I’m only 5 and I hear that jaguars are making a comeback in a theater near you.
I was going to blog about this one. There goes my thunder.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/science/10jaguar.html?th&emc=th
I have heard alligators eating snakes and even seen one eat a coral snake! They can eat venomous ones to large ones and i am assuming that they can eat pythons, another reason why i think that alligators might win is that alligators have the strongest bite force and have a bite force of 3,000 pounds per square inch, able to break metal and a snakes bones. About jags hunting alligators, jags can hunt alligators when alligators are around 3-8 feet, but if a 14 feet alligator met a jaquar it will make the jag an omelet.
Caimans are able to beat jags since they have a bite strength of 1 ton able to snap its bones. Jags cannot kill caimans unless they are 8 feet long or less. Despite the size of an anaconda they are able to kill and eat an eight foot caiman whole unless if they are the same size or 30 feet long.
Also one of you said that jags can kill caimans and anacondas, that’s kinda wrong and kinda right. Jags are able to kill a 10 foot snake and an 8 foot caiman
How about man versus dog - both unarmed, obviously? Three classes:
1) Average man versus average mongrel. I think that a 160 lb man can defeat a 40 lb dog.
2) UFC heavyweight champ versus attack/war dog. My guess is that the dog wins.
3) Average man versus attack dog. Dog has homo a la omelet.
How about average dog versus average woman? I give the edge to the average dog.
2) I think not, once they’re both trained in countering each other? A dog really has only its jaws, while a man can do a lot of damage with a lot of things, plus a heavyweight has the advantage of weight.
I had a hard time with 2) but my inclination was that more often than not a quick attack dog could get its jaws to a mans throat before a man could react. If the man had time to react, then yes he could win.
If the dog was rabid, then whatever the outcome, the man would lose.
Weight is not necessarily an advantage in the kind of asymmetric combat you’re talking about. It’s more likely to be a disadvantage, with slower reaction times and a bigger target for the opponent. Even at the UFC, the biggest guys seldom win.
What I mean is, how many techniques can you teach a dog, and then how many techniques can a man learn to counter these afore-mentioned techniques, and then more? I think the man would come out the the winner, he just has to avoid the jaws, dogs usually come in a rush, I’d think once you’re trained, you can avoid that pretty easily, and kick or do something else to the dog while it goes past. An enclosed space might be different.
Good points, but the more I consider it, I think the dog has the edge. One thing I didn’t really consider was the fact that when it comes to stamina, the dog knows few peers. In any case, it beats a human hands down in this category.
So a winning strategy would be for the dog to keep the human off balance - getting in a nip or two when possible and 20 minutes later, it’s Enter Sandman. I think a well trained dog may be up to the task - like lion hounds (a.k.a Rhodesian ridgeback) would do with a lion. Not an apples to apples comparison but a plausible scenario I think.
Add elephants to the list of mirror-loving animals:
http://snipurl.com/110wj
You kidding me? Trained man can beat dog any day - sheez - there are unarmed men who have taken on large cats (jaws plus claws) and won! UFC champ will take on the Rotweiller and good bye puppy!
Though man can win against a dog some dogs are big enough and capable enough to kill man, unles if they are weighing about 600 pounds, not to offend anybody, it was a little joke. so please don’t sue me.
I know, I know people hate alligators and like snakes better but there is an opportunity for an alligator to win against a python. Alligator is a hard snack to get when they are 6 or full grown I mean comon, they’ll be to big to swallow and digest. PLus I saw a video of an anoconda barfing up a baby hippo.
http://snipurl.com/155eh
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a anaconda vs a alligator or a crocodile it would depend who got the first strike and plus and anaconda has no armour and a crocodile has a strong bite force so u cant really compare them
python can kill a anaconda i know thats right
a python can beat crocodile,8feet long
one o
the video was really good because it was a python vs a alligator and the python came and swallowed the alligstor and killed the alligator the second one was when the alligator came and bit the python but after the python came and bit the alligator and whitch killed the alligator.
BY KYLE GATFIELD
Come on people a python or anaconda does not stand a chance against a fully grown alligator and definately a crocodile,.
If it was a small alligator or crocodile then the python or anaconda can win if of course the gater/croc don’t bite it first.
We always see on tv anacondas/pyhtons eating small crocs and it’s usually caimans but they never attack large crocodiles or alligators because they always loose.And if you check Enemies of pythons/anacondas,crocodiles are always mentioned but if it’s enemies of crocodiles,pythons or anacondas are never mentioned, only if it’s a cayman because it is small.
i do like most of the partes but some of the partes are not that good.
A new incident (both animals died).
what will eat a lion
If they weren’t herbivorous these buffaloes, may have.
the alligator would win cause of the volocity that which its jaws shut could bite right throughthe pythons/anacondas body
Now for the science behind why a Python would dare take on an Alligator. Here is the explanation
I was taken aback to read this paragraph
For his study, McCue put 20 ball pythons, 22 ratsnakes and 20 western diamondback rattlesnakes through 168 days of starvation. Weight and other measurements were taken at regular intervals. After the 168 days, McCue chemically euthanized each snake and pureed it in a blender in order to better conduct chemical analysis.
Jaguars eat alligators all the time. They jump on their back, and since alligators and crocodiles have almost no range of motion compared to a cat, they just lose after the cat severs it’s cervical vertebrae. Plus, there’s no such thing as a 30ft caiman; the largest Nile Crocodile on record is 28 ft.
As for dog Vs man: There was an article I read where a rotweiler had attacked someone, then the owner came running after the dog. After jumping on the dog, it turned on the owner. . .but the owner (humans being more agile) strangled his own dog to death. Once you restrain or limit the movement of a dog’s head, there’s really not much it can do. Not strong enough to buck you off, not smart enough to use any maneuvers, not flexible enough to get out of it. Really simple.
Same thing when a large cat pounces onto the back of a dog. I’ve seen so many housecats scare the shit out of large dogs by attacking from behind it’s not even funny. Imagine if that housecat weighed 250lbs.
And Bailey, you’ve got the strengths of the cougar and the Jag mixed up: It goes Tiger, Lion, Jaguar, mountain lion.
Reptiles for reptiles. . . who knows, lizards are so stupid you can’t even train them to stay still.